I think old power tools will increase in value as time passes.  It's
not the antique value, but rather the fact that they no longer make
affordable decent power tools.  For example, have you tried to find a
power drill that stiill uses a key in the chuck lately?  Good luck,
they almost all have those hand tightened chucks.  Try to drill thru a
piece of heavy steel with one of those, and you'll soon find that you
can not do it.  You'll wear the flesh off your hand trying to tighten
that damn chuck, and will finally be forced to borrow or rent an OLD
drill with a key, or take the job to a metal shop.  Those hand
tightened chucks are a complete joke adn are useless.  Personally, I
consider these so called "tools" are really nothing more than TOYS.

On the positive side, you can still buy keyed chuck drills, but be
prepared to spend a fortune.  The top name brands such as "Milwaukee
Tools" still are made with keyed chucks, but they are pricey.  For a
professional, they are worth the cost, but not for the average
homeowner doing a few repairs.  This means that you must either find
an old drill at a garage sale, or just rent a drill from a local tool
rental place. 

And these battery powered tools are even worse.  In fact I refuse to
call these things "Tools".  They are and always will be nothing more
than "TOYS".  They work great for a 12 year old kid wanting to build a
birdhouse.  Try to use these on a serious home repair project and you
will likely do what I did with mine, which is toss the goddamn thing
in the garbage.  If there's anything more frustrating than trying to
finish a job and the damn tool runs out of battery power, please let
me know.  Unless you have at least 3 batteries for each tool, and the
desire to keep running to a power source to recharge batteries, forget
them.  They're worthless.  You may as well just run a cord from the
power source and use a plug in tool to begin.  I dont care if they are
a 6 volt or a 24 volt tool, they all lack power and all need constant
battery recharging.  And prepare to go broke buying batteries.  The
batteries normally cost nearly as much as the whole tool.  Sure, they
are handy when you have to go across the road to attach your rural
mailbox to a post and it's too far to run an extension cord, but face
it, you're putting in four screws.  Try to put in 400 screws and
you'll be running back to the house at least ten times to recharge
batteries.  Worse yet, you will NOT find a battery drill with a keyed
chuck, period.

It seems that each and every day I am learning to appreciate the old
power tools from the 1960's thru 80's more and more.  I do my best to
keep them in good condition, because in the future they will become
more and more valuable as the supply vanishes from garage sales and
auctions.  When all the junk tools from the 1990's and 2000s are long
buried in garbage dumps, those of us with the older tools will be
lucky to still own them.

On Aug 24, 12:12=A0pm, l...@none.com wrote:
> I think old power tools will increase in value as time passes. =A0It's
> not the antique value, but rather the fact that they no longer make
> affordable decent power tools. =A0For example, have you tried to find a
> power drill that stiill uses a key in the chuck lately? =A0Good luck,
> they almost all have those hand tightened chucks. =A0Try to drill thru a
> piece of heavy steel with one of those, and you'll soon find that you
> can not do it. =A0You'll wear the flesh off your hand trying to tighten
> that damn chuck, and will finally be forced to borrow or rent an OLD
> drill with a key, or take the job to a metal shop. =A0Those hand
> tightened chucks are a complete joke adn are useless. =A0Personally, I
> consider these so called "tools" are really nothing more than TOYS.
>
> On the positive side, you can still buy keyed chuck drills, but be
> prepared to spend a fortune. =A0The top name brands such as "Milwaukee
> Tools" still are made with keyed chucks, but they are pricey. =A0For a
> professional, they are worth the cost, but not for the average
> homeowner doing a few repairs. =A0This means that you must either find
> an old drill at a garage sale, or just rent a drill from a local tool
> rental place.
>
> And these battery powered tools are even worse. =A0In fact I refuse to
> call these things "Tools". =A0They are and always will be nothing more
> than "TOYS". =A0They work great for a 12 year old kid wanting to build a
> birdhouse. =A0Try to use these on a serious home repair project and you
> will likely do what I did with mine, which is toss the goddamn thing
> in the garbage. =A0If there's anything more frustrating than trying to
> finish a job and the damn tool runs out of battery power, please let
> me know. =A0Unless you have at least 3 batteries for each tool, and the
> desire to keep running to a power source to recharge batteries, forget
> them. =A0They're worthless. =A0You may as well just run a cord from the
> power source and use a plug in tool to begin. =A0I dont care if they are
> a 6 volt or a 24 volt tool, they all lack power and all need constant
> battery recharging. =A0And prepare to go broke buying batteries. =A0The
> batteries normally cost nearly as much as the whole tool. =A0Sure, they
> are handy when you have to go across the road to attach your rural
> mailbox to a post and it's too far to run an extension cord, but face
> it, you're putting in four screws. =A0Try to put in 400 screws and
> you'll be running back to the house at least ten times to recharge
> batteries. =A0Worse yet, you will NOT find a battery drill with a keyed
> chuck, period.
>
> It seems that each and every day I am learning to appreciate the old
> power tools from the 1960's thru 80's more and more. =A0I do my best to
> keep them in good condition, because in the future they will become
> more and more valuable as the supply vanishes from garage sales and
> auctions. =A0When all the junk tools from the 1990's and 2000s are long
> buried in garbage dumps, those of us with the older tools will be
> lucky to still own them.

I just bought a new 10amp corded dewalt drill at lowes.  It has a
key.  Soldly built.  So far it's been fine.  Extremely powerful.  I
find I have to hold it pretty tight in situations with spade or hole
saw bits where the bit might catch.  $120.  Is that too expensive?  My
last corded drill lasted 20 years so I'm expecting this one to do the
same.

I use my battery powered tools for smaller projects.  But for all day
work, I agree the battery powered stuff is sometimes a pain.

On Aug 24, 11:12=A0am, l...@none.com wrote:
> I think old power tools will increase in value as time passes. =A0It's
> not the antique value, but rather the fact that they no longer make
> affordable decent power tools. =A0For example, have you tried to find a
> power drill that stiill uses a key in the chuck lately? =A0Good luck,
> they almost all have those hand tightened chucks. =A0Try to drill thru a
> piece of heavy steel with one of those, and you'll soon find that you
> can not do it. =A0You'll wear the flesh off your hand trying to tighten
> that damn chuck, and will finally be forced to borrow or rent an OLD
> drill with a key, or take the job to a metal shop. =A0Those hand
> tightened chucks are a complete joke adn are useless. =A0Personally, I
> consider these so called "tools" are really nothing more than TOYS.
>
> On the positive side, you can still buy keyed chuck drills, but be
> prepared to spend a fortune. =A0The top name brands such as "Milwaukee
> Tools" still are made with keyed chucks, but they are pricey. =A0For a
> professional, they are worth the cost, but not for the average
> homeowner doing a few repairs. =A0This means that you must either find
> an old drill at a garage sale, or just rent a drill from a local tool
> rental place.
>
> And these battery powered tools are even worse. =A0In fact I refuse to
> call these things "Tools". =A0They are and always will be nothing more
> than "TOYS". =A0They work great for a 12 year old kid wanting to build a
> birdhouse. =A0Try to use these on a serious home repair project and you
> will likely do what I did with mine, which is toss the goddamn thing
> in the garbage. =A0If there's anything more frustrating than trying to
> finish a job and the damn tool runs out of battery power, please let
> me know. =A0Unless you have at least 3 batteries for each tool, and the
> desire to keep running to a power source to recharge batteries, forget
> them. =A0They're worthless. =A0You may as well just run a cord from the
> power source and use a plug in tool to begin. =A0I dont care if they are
> a 6 volt or a 24 volt tool, they all lack power and all need constant
> battery recharging. =A0And prepare to go broke buying batteries. =A0The
> batteries normally cost nearly as much as the whole tool. =A0Sure, they
> are handy when you have to go across the road to attach your rural
> mailbox to a post and it's too far to run an extension cord, but face
> it, you're putting in four screws. =A0Try to put in 400 screws and
> you'll be running back to the house at least ten times to recharge
> batteries. =A0Worse yet, you will NOT find a battery drill with a keyed
> chuck, period.
>
> It seems that each and every day I am learning to appreciate the old
> power tools from the 1960's thru 80's more and more. =A0I do my best to
> keep them in good condition, because in the future they will become
> more and more valuable as the supply vanishes from garage sales and
> auctions. =A0When all the junk tools from the 1990's and 2000s are long
> buried in garbage dumps, those of us with the older tools will be
> lucky to still own them.

I have about 14 Porter Cable, Made in Usa, 120v tools that work fine.
I now buy Made in USA Ridgid 12-18v battery tools with  lifetime
warranty, even on batteries. 400 screws is easy for a 18v 3a LiIon
pack. The new LiIon packs are 2.5x more powerfull and a quality tool
isnt a toy. All I use regularly is my battery tools, for heavy
drilling or whatever then sure out comes the 120v stuff. If I went to
a garage sale and saw old Milwaukee or PC , I would buy it. But the
quality of some battery stuff is commercial, like Hilte, and the
warranty Ridgid have cant be beat.

I also hate cordless tool and keyless chucks.

Ace Hardware and Amazon both sell replacement Jacob's Keyed Chucks.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:12:08 -0500, l...@none.com wrote:

>I think old power tools will increase in value as time passes.  It's
>not the antique value, but rather the fact that they no longer make
>affordable decent power tools.  For example, have you tried to find a
>power drill that stiill uses a key in the chuck lately?  Good luck,
>they almost all have those hand tightened chucks.  Try to drill thru a
>piece of heavy steel with one of those, and you'll soon find that you
>can not do it.  You'll wear the flesh off your hand trying to tighten
>that damn chuck, and will finally be forced to borrow or rent an OLD
>drill with a key, or take the job to a metal shop.  Those hand
>tightened chucks are a complete joke adn are useless.  Personally, I
>consider these so called "tools" are really nothing more than TOYS.
>
>On the positive side, you can still buy keyed chuck drills, but be
>prepared to spend a fortune.  The top name brands such as "Milwaukee
>Tools" still are made with keyed chucks, but they are pricey.  For a
>professional, they are worth the cost, but not for the average
>homeowner doing a few repairs.  This means that you must either find
>an old drill at a garage sale, or just rent a drill from a local tool
>rental place. 
>
>And these battery powered tools are even worse.  In fact I refuse to
>call these things "Tools".  They are and always will be nothing more
>than "TOYS".  They work great for a 12 year old kid wanting to build a
>birdhouse.  Try to use these on a serious home repair project and you
>will likely do what I did with mine, which is toss the goddamn thing
>in the garbage.  If there's anything more frustrating than trying to
>finish a job and the damn tool runs out of battery power, please let
>me know.  Unless you have at least 3 batteries for each tool, and the
>desire to keep running to a power source to recharge batteries, forget
>them.  They're worthless.  You may as well just run a cord from the
>power source and use a plug in tool to begin.  I dont care if they are
>a 6 volt or a 24 volt tool, they all lack power and all need constant
>battery recharging.  And prepare to go broke buying batteries.  The
>batteries normally cost nearly as much as the whole tool.  Sure, they
>are handy when you have to go across the road to attach your rural
>mailbox to a post and it's too far to run an extension cord, but face
>it, you're putting in four screws.  Try to put in 400 screws and
>you'll be running back to the house at least ten times to recharge
>batteries.  Worse yet, you will NOT find a battery drill with a keyed
>chuck, period.


>
>It seems that each and every day I am learning to appreciate the old
>power tools from the 1960's thru 80's more and more.  I do my best to
>keep them in good condition, because in the future they will become
>more and more valuable as the supply vanishes from garage sales and
>auctions.  When all the junk tools from the 1990's and 2000s are long
>buried in garbage dumps, those of us with the older tools will be
>lucky to still own them.

I have a good assortment of "experienced" quality power tools I've
picked up cheap at garage sales with small problems and the
replacement parts required have all been available for peanuts.
Better than even the current "quality" tools.

<l...@none.com> wrote in message 
news:k...@4ax.com...
>I think old power tools will increase in value as time passes.  It's
> not the antique value, but rather the fact that they no longer make
> affordable decent power tools.  For example, have you tried to find a
> power drill that stiill uses a key in the chuck lately?  Good luck,
> they almost all have those hand tightened chucks.  Try to drill thru a
> piece of heavy steel with one of those, and you'll soon find that you
> can not do it.  You'll wear the flesh off your hand trying to tighten
> that damn chuck, and will finally be forced to borrow or rent an OLD
> drill with a key, or take the job to a metal shop.  Those hand
> tightened chucks are a complete joke adn are useless.  Personally, I
> consider these so called "tools" are really nothing more than TOYS.
>
> On the positive side, you can still buy keyed chuck drills, but be
> prepared to spend a fortune.  The top name brands such as "Milwaukee
> Tools" still are made with keyed chucks, but they are pricey.  For a
> professional, they are worth the cost, but not for the average
> homeowner doing a few repairs.  This means that you must either find
> an old drill at a garage sale, or just rent a drill from a local tool
> rental place.
>
> And these battery powered tools are even worse.  In fact I refuse to
> call these things "Tools".  They are and always will be nothing more
> than "TOYS".  They work great for a 12 year old kid wanting to build a
> birdhouse.  Try to use these on a serious home repair project and you
> will likely do what I did with mine, which is toss the goddamn thing
> in the garbage.  If there's anything more frustrating than trying to
> finish a job and the damn tool runs out of battery power, please let
> me know.  Unless you have at least 3 batteries for each tool, and the
> desire to keep running to a power source to recharge batteries, forget
> them.  They're worthless.  You may as well just run a cord from the
> power source and use a plug in tool to begin.  I dont care if they are
> a 6 volt or a 24 volt tool, they all lack power and all need constant
> battery recharging.  And prepare to go broke buying batteries.  The
> batteries normally cost nearly as much as the whole tool.  Sure, they
> are handy when you have to go across the road to attach your rural
> mailbox to a post and it's too far to run an extension cord, but face
> it, you're putting in four screws.  Try to put in 400 screws and
> you'll be running back to the house at least ten times to recharge
> batteries.  Worse yet, you will NOT find a battery drill with a keyed
> chuck, period.
>
> It seems that each and every day I am learning to appreciate the old
> power tools from the 1960's thru 80's more and more.  I do my best to
> keep them in good condition, because in the future they will become
> more and more valuable as the supply vanishes from garage sales and
> auctions.  When all the junk tools from the 1990's and 2000s are long
> buried in garbage dumps, those of us with the older tools will be
> lucky to still own them.

OMG, I guess I have to break out the old Thor D handle. I don't think so. 
There is more to a drill than just being built like a tank. Pound for pound 
I'll take a new commercial quality drill any day over those old anchors.  As 
far as cordless driver drills, they're the best thing since sliced bread, 
and although I only get about two years out of one, they get used EVERY day 
and have plenty of power. I just bought a new Makita lithium, really compact 
driver drill. Can't wait to use it, but I still have some life left in my 
current Dewalt, which I have to put out to pasture first.
> 

In article <k...@4ax.com>,
 l...@none.com wrote:

> Those hand
> tightened chucks are a complete joke adn are useless.

Said it before, I'll say it again: Don't blame the concept, blame the 
execution. Was in the tool and hardware store again today and noticed 
that the keyless chucks for machine tools were in the $300-$400 range. 
Those bastards will hold a drill tight enough to drill through anything 
you can drill through, stainless, tool steel, titanium, whatever. 
They're effortless to use. You won't find a keyed chuck in a machine 
shop these days, except maybe on the ratty old drill press in the corner 
behind the trash can. What a pain in the ass those damn keys are.

On Aug 24, 11:08=A0pm, Smitty Two  wrote:
> In article ,
>
> =A...@none.com wrote:
> > Those hand
> > tightened chucks are a complete joke adn are useless.
>
> Said it before, I'll say it again: Don't blame the concept, blame the
> execution. Was in the tool and hardware store again today and noticed
> that the keyless chucks for machine tools were in the $300-$400 range.
> Those bastards will hold a drill tight enough to drill through anything
> you can drill through, stainless, tool steel, titanium, whatever.
> They're effortless to use. You won't find a keyed chuck in a machine
> shop these days, except maybe on the ratty old drill press in the corner
> behind the trash can. What a pain in the ass those damn keys are.

And when the key holder breaks and you loose the key, you then hate
keys. I have an old Rockwell circ saw, it took me 10 yrs to finally
find the special wrench needed to replace my 20 yr old blade, and I
have several drills I cant use because I lost those dam keys. My
ridgids have Jacobs keyless chucks, they do metal fine.

"RBM" <r...@live.com> wrote in news:4c7460bd$0$4983$6...@cv.net:

> 
><l...@none.com> wrote in message 
> news:k...@4ax.com...
>>I think old power tools will increase in value as time passes.  It's
>> not the antique value, but rather the fact that they no longer make
>> affordable decent power tools.  For example, have you tried to find a
>> power drill that stiill uses a key in the chuck lately?  Good luck,
>> they almost all have those hand tightened chucks.  Try to drill thru
>> a piece of heavy steel with one of those, and you'll soon find that
>> you can not do it.  You'll wear the flesh off your hand trying to
>> tighten that damn chuck, and will finally be forced to borrow or rent
>> an OLD drill with a key, or take the job to a metal shop.  Those hand
>> tightened chucks are a complete joke adn are useless.  Personally, I
>> consider these so called "tools" are really nothing more than TOYS.
>>
>> On the positive side, you can still buy keyed chuck drills, but be
>> prepared to spend a fortune.  The top name brands such as "Milwaukee
>> Tools" still are made with keyed chucks, but they are pricey.  For a
>> professional, they are worth the cost, but not for the average
>> homeowner doing a few repairs.  This means that you must either find
>> an old drill at a garage sale, or just rent a drill from a local tool
>> rental place.
>>
>> And these battery powered tools are even worse.  In fact I refuse to
>> call these things "Tools".  They are and always will be nothing more
>> than "TOYS".  They work great for a 12 year old kid wanting to build
>> a birdhouse.  Try to use these on a serious home repair project and
>> you will likely do what I did with mine, which is toss the goddamn
>> thing in the garbage.  If there's anything more frustrating than
>> trying to finish a job and the damn tool runs out of battery power,
>> please let me know.  Unless you have at least 3 batteries for each
>> tool, and the desire to keep running to a power source to recharge
>> batteries, forget them.  They're worthless.  You may as well just run
>> a cord from the power source and use a plug in tool to begin.  I dont
>> care if they are a 6 volt or a 24 volt tool, they all lack power and
>> all need constant battery recharging.  And prepare to go broke buying
>> batteries.  The batteries normally cost nearly as much as the whole
>> tool.  Sure, they are handy when you have to go across the road to
>> attach your rural mailbox to a post and it's too far to run an
>> extension cord, but face it, you're putting in four screws.  Try to
>> put in 400 screws and you'll be running back to the house at least
>> ten times to recharge batteries.  Worse yet, you will NOT find a
>> battery drill with a keyed chuck, period.
>>
>> It seems that each and every day I am learning to appreciate the old
>> power tools from the 1960's thru 80's more and more.  I do my best to
>> keep them in good condition, because in the future they will become
>> more and more valuable as the supply vanishes from garage sales and
>> auctions.  When all the junk tools from the 1990's and 2000s are long
>> buried in garbage dumps, those of us with the older tools will be
>> lucky to still own them.
> 
> OMG, I guess I have to break out the old Thor D handle. I don't think
> so. There is more to a drill than just being built like a tank. Pound
> for pound I'll take a new commercial quality drill any day over those
> old anchors.  As far as cordless driver drills, they're the best thing
> since sliced bread, and although I only get about two years out of
> one, they get used EVERY day and have plenty of power. I just bought a
> new Makita lithium, really compact driver drill. Can't wait to use it,
> but I still have some life left in my current Dewalt, which I have to
> put out to pasture first. 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

why not just buy a replacement keyed chuck for your drill/driver?

I'd also have battery packs rebuilt with new cells if I really liked the 
tool and it still worked well other than the battery packs.

a little survey on battery packs;
how are the NiMH packs doing? 
Do they hold up well? 
(fast-charged packs,<1 hr charge time,not the cheapo slow charger setups)

any one replace their NiCD packs with NiMH packs,and if so,how did that 
work out?

-- 
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com