I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in
2005.  One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush
properly and has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the
flush handle down and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled
with water and it empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The
bowl just fills up with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if
it is slightly plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually
goes down, but never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the
other toilets.  I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.

Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.

Thanks!

TN wrote:
> I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in
> 2005.  One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush
> properly and has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the
> flush handle down and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled
> with water and it empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The
> bowl just fills up with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if
> it is slightly plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually
> goes down, but never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the
> other toilets.  I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.
> 
> Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
> the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
> somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.

If it's always been a problem I'd suspect lack of near enough or large 
enough venting or simply a poorly laid out drain line path that while it 
isn't blocked it does add flow restriction in the path.  An example 
could be a 90-ell instead of sweep in a horizontal run or this is the 
last on a longer nearly horizontal run or somesuch...

--

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:22:38 -0700, TN wrote:

> I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in 2005. 
> One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush properly and
> has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the flush handle down
> and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled with water and it
> empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The bowl just fills up
> with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if it is slightly
> plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually goes down, but
> never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the other toilets. 
> I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.
> 
> Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says the
> bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
> somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.
> 
> Thanks!

http://www.e-chinaware.com/info/faq3.htm

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:24:59 -0500, dpb wrote:

> TN wrote:
>> I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in 2005. 
>> One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush properly and
>> has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the flush handle down
>> and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled with water and it
>> empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The bowl just fills up
>> with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if it is slightly
>> plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually goes down, but
>> never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the other toilets. 
>> I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.
>> 
>> Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
>> the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
>> somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.
> 
> If it's always been a problem I'd suspect lack of near enough or large
> enough venting or simply a poorly laid out drain line path that while it
> isn't blocked it does add flow restriction in the path.  An example
> could be a 90-ell instead of sweep in a horizontal run or this is the
> last on a longer nearly horizontal run or somesuch...

Gotta have a long enough vertical drop after the flange for the siphon to 
build up enough suction to pull turds and tissue down. Especially with 
today's low-flow bowls.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:22:38 -0700 (PDT), TN <t...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in
>2005.  One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush
>properly and has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the
>flush handle down and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled
>with water and it empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The
>bowl just fills up with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if
>it is slightly plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually
>goes down, but never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the
>other toilets.  I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.
>
>Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
>the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
>somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.
>
>Thanks!

Review this:

"...Here are some things to try if the weak flush is caused by an
obstruction in the bowl's rim, where water is discharged. Toilets with
this problem may quickly accumulate unwanted deposits because the
flush leaves portions of the bowl unwashed."

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Slow-Toilet

Are you sure the tank is filling high enough (marked line in tank)?

"TN" <t...@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:d...@v41g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
> I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in
> 2005.  One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush
> properly and has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the
> flush handle down and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled
> with water and it empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The
> bowl just fills up with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if
> it is slightly plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually
> goes down, but never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the
> other toilets.  I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.
>
> Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
> the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
> somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.
>
> Thanks!

Always possible that the wax ring was compressed too much and interferes 
with the flow.

The damnest problem I ever had was when the lid from a small makeup case got 
trapped in bowl loop.  Sometimes it would pivot one way and all would be 
fine.  The next time it flipped the other way an nothing went down.

Did not solve that problem or know the cause until I used the BFH on the 
removed bowl.  Using the BFH was an act of faith as I knew there had to be 
something in there.


-- 
Colbyt
Please come visit http://www.househomerepair.com 

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:39:39 +0000 (UTC), Hugh Jassolle <h...@yaho.orq>
wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:24:59 -0500, dpb wrote:
>
>> TN wrote:
>>> I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in 2005. 
>>> One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush properly and
>>> has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the flush handle down
>>> and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled with water and it
>>> empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The bowl just fills up
>>> with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if it is slightly
>>> plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually goes down, but
>>> never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the other toilets. 
>>> I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
>>> the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
>>> somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.
>> 
>> If it's always been a problem I'd suspect lack of near enough or large
>> enough venting or simply a poorly laid out drain line path that while it
>> isn't blocked it does add flow restriction in the path.  An example
>> could be a 90-ell instead of sweep in a horizontal run or this is the
>> last on a longer nearly horizontal run or somesuch...
>
>Gotta have a long enough vertical drop after the flange for the siphon to 
>build up enough suction to pull turds and tissue down. Especially with 
>today's low-flow bowls.

BALONEY!

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:02:59 -0400, JohnnyD wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:39:39 +0000 (UTC), Hugh Jassolle <h...@yaho.orq>
> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:24:59 -0500, dpb wrote:
>>
>>> TN wrote:
>>>> I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in
>>>> 2005. One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush
>>>> properly and has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the
>>>> flush handle down and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is
>>>> filled with water and it empties at rate similar to the other
>>>> toilets.  The bowl just fills up with water the whirlpool starts but
>>>> it acts as if it is slightly plugged.  It flushes a little and the
>>>> waste eventually goes down, but never the normal "empty the bowl"
>>>> flushes I see in the other toilets. I've plunged it before so I know
>>>> there is no clog.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
>>>> the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger
>>>> plug somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work
>>>> fine.
>>> 
>>> If it's always been a problem I'd suspect lack of near enough or large
>>> enough venting or simply a poorly laid out drain line path that while
>>> it isn't blocked it does add flow restriction in the path.  An example
>>> could be a 90-ell instead of sweep in a horizontal run or this is the
>>> last on a longer nearly horizontal run or somesuch...
>>
>>Gotta have a long enough vertical drop after the flange for the siphon
>>to build up enough suction to pull turds and tissue down. Especially
>>with today's low-flow bowls.
> 
> BALONEY!

Even more drop if you want to flush BALONEY.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:22:38 -0700 (PDT), TN <t...@gmail.com> wrote
Re Toilet Flushing Mystery:

>I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in
>2005.  One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush
>properly and has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the
>flush handle down and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled
>with water and it empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The
>bowl just fills up with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if
>it is slightly plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually
>goes down, but never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the
>other toilets.  I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.
>
>Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
>the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
>somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.
>
>Thanks!

I had something like this happen to me once.  It drove me crazy until
I pulled the toiled and found that a piece of dental floss that
someone had tried to flush had gotten hung up across the bowl
discharge where it mates with the floor flange.  Liquids would flush
without a problem, but solids would be impeded by the floss and
prevent a good flush.
-- 
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

J...@nowheremonfrere.com wrote the following:
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:39:39 +0000 (UTC), Hugh Jassolle <h...@yaho.orq>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:24:59 -0500, dpb wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> TN wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I've got 3 of the same toilets installed in the house I built in 2005. 
>>>> One toilet has me totally freaked out.  It doesn't flush properly and
>>>> has gotten somewhat worse over time.  I can hold the flush handle down
>>>> and the flapper opens just fine.  The tank is filled with water and it
>>>> empties at rate similar to the other toilets.  The bowl just fills up
>>>> with water the whirlpool starts but it acts as if it is slightly
>>>> plugged.  It flushes a little and the waste eventually goes down, but
>>>> never the normal "empty the bowl" flushes I see in the other toilets. 
>>>> I've plunged it before so I know there is no clog.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have some advice on how to debug this?  My instinct says
>>>> the bowl was just casted defective.  I can't imaging its a larger plug
>>>> somewhere else because all the other drains in the bathroom work fine.
>>>>         
>>> If it's always been a problem I'd suspect lack of near enough or large
>>> enough venting or simply a poorly laid out drain line path that while it
>>> isn't blocked it does add flow restriction in the path.  An example
>>> could be a 90-ell instead of sweep in a horizontal run or this is the
>>> last on a longer nearly horizontal run or somesuch...
>>>       
>> Gotta have a long enough vertical drop after the flange for the siphon to 
>> build up enough suction to pull turds and tissue down. Especially with 
>> today's low-flow bowls.
>>     
>
> BALONEY!

So you are saying that a toilet on a ground level concrete slab has the 
same drop as a toilet on the second floor directly above and using the 
same drain and vent pipe?

-- 

Bill
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