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It looks like this guy, obama, is a dictator, not a president.=20
What does he know about lighting standards?
Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to take care of us and =
protect us by not letting us make any of our own decisions?
Bob-tx

White House announces new lighting standards

By LIZ SIDOTI
The Associated Press
Monday, June 29, 2009 4:46 PM=20



WASHINGTON -- Aiming to keep the focus on climate change legislation, =
President Barack Obama put a plug in for administration efforts to make =
lamps and lighting equipment use less energy.=20

"I know light bulbs may not seem sexy, but this simple action holds =
enormous promise because 7 percent of all the energy consumed in America =
is used to light our homes and businesses," the president said, standing =
alongside Energy Secretary Steven Chu at the White House.=20

Obama said the new efficiency standards he was announcing for lamps =
would result in substantial savings between 2012 and 2042, saving =
consumers up to $4 billion annually, conserving enough energy to power =
every U.S. home for 10 months, reducing emissions equal to the amount =
produced by 166 million cars a year, and eliminating the need for as =
many as 14 coal-fired power plants.=20

The president also said he was speeding the delivery of $346 million in =
economic stimulus money to help improve energy efficiency in new and =
existing commercial buildings.=20

Republicans took issue with Obama's pitch.=20

"Conservation is only half the equation. Even as we use less energy, we =
need to produce more of our own," said Senate Republican Leader Mitch =
McConnell of Kentucky. "We have to admit there's a gap between the =
clean, renewable fuel we want and the reliable energy we need."=20

The White House added the event to the president's schedule at the last =
minute, just three days after the House narrowly approved the first =
energy legislation designed to curb global warming following furious =
lobbying by White House advisers and personal pressure by the president =
himself.=20

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday that in phone calls to =
reluctant Democrats in endangered districts, Obama "affirmed his =
commitment to support the policy position that they were taking in =
helping to explain to their constituents and to the American public the =
great benefit of this bill."=20

The measure's fate is less certain in the Senate, where Democrats lack =
the 60 votes needed to block a certain filibuster.=20

Still, in an interview with a small group of reporters, Obama energy =
adviser Carol Browner said: "I am confident that comprehensive energy =
legislation will pass the Senate." But she repeatedly refused to say =
exactly when the White House expected the Senate to pass the measure, =
and she wouldn't speculate on whether Obama would have legislation sent =
to his desk by year's end.=20

The White House is working to keep energy in the spotlight even as =
Congress takes a break this week for the July 4 holiday. Obama has spent =
the past few days pressuring the Senate to follow the House while also =
seeking to show that the administration is making quick, clear progress =
on energy reform without legislation.=20

In February, the president directed the Energy Department to update its =
energy conservation standards for everyday household appliances such as =
dishwashers, lamps and microwave ovens. Laws on the books already =
required new efficiency standards for household and commercial =
appliances. But they have been backlogged in a tangle of missed =
deadlines, bureaucratic disputes and litigation.=20

The administration already had released new standards on commercial =
refrigeration. Lamps were next.=20

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It looks like this guy, obama, is a dictator, not a =
president.=20

What does he know about lighting =
standards?
Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to =
take care=20
of us and protect us by not letting us make any of our own=20
decisions?
Bob-tx
 
White House announces new lighting=20
standards

By LIZ SIDOTI
The Associated Press
Monday, =
June 29,=20
2009 4:46 PM 


WASHINGTON -- Aiming to keep the focus on climate =
change=20
legislation, President Barack Obama put a plug in for administration =
efforts to=20
make lamps and lighting equipment use less energy. 
"I know light bulbs may not seem sexy, but this =
simple=20
action holds enormous promise because 7 percent of all the energy =
consumed in=20
America is used to light our homes and businesses," the president said, =
standing=20
alongside Energy Secretary Steven Chu at the White House. 
Obama said the new efficiency standards he was =
announcing=20
for lamps would result in substantial savings between 2012 and 2042, =
saving=20
consumers up to $4 billion annually, conserving enough energy to power =
every=20
U.S. home for 10 months, reducing emissions equal to the amount produced =
by 166=20
million cars a year, and eliminating the need for as many as 14 =
coal-fired power=20
plants. 
The president also said he was speeding the =
delivery of $346=20
million in economic stimulus money to help improve energy efficiency in =
new and=20
existing commercial buildings. 
Republicans took issue with Obama's pitch. =

"Conservation is only half the equation. Even as =
we use less=20
energy, we need to produce more of our own," said Senate Republican =
Leader=20
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000355/"=20
target=3D"">Mitch McConnell of=20
Kentucky. "We have to admit there's a gap between the clean, renewable =
fuel we=20
want and the reliable energy we need." 
The White House added the event to the president's =
schedule=20
at the last minute, just three days after the House narrowly approved =
the first=20
energy legislation designed to curb global warming following furious =
lobbying by=20
White House advisers and personal pressure by the president himself. =

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday =
that in phone=20
calls to reluctant Democrats in endangered districts, Obama "affirmed =
his=20
commitment to support the policy position that they were taking in =
helping to=20
explain to their constituents and to the American public the great =
benefit of=20
this bill." 
The measure's fate is less certain in the Senate, =
where=20
Democrats lack the 60 votes needed to block a certain filibuster. =

Still, in an interview with a small group of =
reporters,=20
Obama energy adviser Carol Browner said: "I am confident that =
comprehensive=20
energy legislation will pass the Senate." But she repeatedly refused to =
say=20
exactly when the White House expected the Senate to pass the measure, =
and she=20
wouldn't speculate on whether Obama would have legislation sent to his =
desk by=20
year's end. 
The White House is working to keep energy in the =
spotlight=20
even as Congress takes a break this week for the July 4 holiday. Obama =
has spent=20
the past few days pressuring the Senate to follow the House while also =
seeking=20
to show that the administration is making quick, clear progress on =
energy reform=20
without legislation. 
In February, the president directed the Energy =
Department to=20
update its energy conservation standards for everyday household =
appliances such=20
as dishwashers, lamps and microwave ovens. Laws on the books already =
required=20
new efficiency standards for household and commercial appliances. But =
they have=20
been backlogged in a tangle of missed deadlines, bureaucratic disputes =
and=20
litigation. 
The administration already had released new =
standards on=20
commercial refrigeration. Lamps were next. 

=A9 2009 The Associated =
Press

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Bob-tx wrote:
> It looks like this guy, obama, is a dictator, not a president.
> What does he know about lighting standards?
> Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to take care of us
> and protect us by not letting us make any of our own decisions?
> Bob-tx
>
> White House announces new lighting standards
>
> By LIZ SIDOTI
> The Associated Press
> Monday, June 29, 2009 4:46 PM
>
>
>
> WASHINGTON -- Aiming to keep the focus on climate change legislation,
> President Barack Obama put a plug in for administration efforts to
> make lamps and lighting equipment use less energy.
>

[...]

But the article doesn't say what the new standards ARE.

Perhaps the president is merely going to say "Let there be light..." 

HeyBub wrote:
> Bob-tx wrote:
>> It looks like this guy, obama, is a dictator, not a president.
>> What does he know about lighting standards?
>> Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to take care of us
>> and protect us by not letting us make any of our own decisions?
>> Bob-tx
>>
>> White House announces new lighting standards
>>
>> By LIZ SIDOTI
>> The Associated Press
>> Monday, June 29, 2009 4:46 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> WASHINGTON -- Aiming to keep the focus on climate change legislation,
>> President Barack Obama put a plug in for administration efforts to
>> make lamps and lighting equipment use less energy.
>>
> 
> [...]
> 
> But the article doesn't say what the new standards ARE.
> 
> Perhaps the president is merely going to say "Let there be light..." 
> 
> 
I heard yesterday that the new energy bill will require your home be 
inspected by a government agency to check for energy efficiency before 
you can sell it.

Just wait till they try to regulate how many galons of water 
a toilet flush can be.... oh, nevermind. That's already 
happened.

I can see an instance or two where BHO may have stepped 
outside the constitutionally assigned powers.

-- 
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
  www.lds.org
.


"Bob-tx" <b...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message 
news:4a49dc8f$0$23746$b...@news.suddenlink.net...
It looks like this guy, obama, is a dictator, not a 
president.
What does he know about lighting standards?
Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to take 
care of us and protect us by not letting us make any of our 
own decisions?
Bob-tx

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:01:05 -0500, "HeyBub" <h...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>Bob-tx wrote:
>> It looks like this guy, obama, is a dictator, not a president.
>> What does he know about lighting standards?
>> Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to take care of us
>> and protect us by not letting us make any of our own decisions?
>> Bob-tx
>>
>> White House announces new lighting standards
>>
>> By LIZ SIDOTI
>> The Associated Press
>> Monday, June 29, 2009 4:46 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> WASHINGTON -- Aiming to keep the focus on climate change legislation,
>> President Barack Obama put a plug in for administration efforts to
>> make lamps and lighting equipment use less energy.
>>
>
>[...]
>
>But the article doesn't say what the new standards ARE.
>
>Perhaps the president is merely going to say "Let there be light..." 
>


They are going to make CFLs look more attractive, probably by
outlawing or taxing the hell out of incandescents

> Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to take care of us and
> protect us by not letting us make any of our own decisions?
>

Actually my summer electric bill is HALF of what it was years ago because of 
things like this. Basically because of "Energy Star".

I don't know if Energy Star *required* A/C, refrigerator, and freezer 
manufacturers to make their units more energy efficient or if it just 
required labeling? (Then consumers could pick the best models?)

But I got a new A/C unit, new refrigerator, and new freezer and this cut my 
summer time use of electricity in half because these use less electricity to 
operate. PLUS the A/C has a bit more BTU's than the old! And it was less 
expensive ta boot!

So I LIKE this type of stuff myself.

g...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:01:05 -0500, "HeyBub" <h...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >Bob-tx wrote:
> >> It looks like this guy, obama, is a dictator, not a president.
> >> What does he know about lighting standards?
> >> Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to take care of us
> >> and protect us by not letting us make any of our own decisions?
> >> Bob-tx
> >>
> >> White House announces new lighting standards
> >>
> >> By LIZ SIDOTI
> >> The Associated Press
> >> Monday, June 29, 2009 4:46 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> WASHINGTON -- Aiming to keep the focus on climate change legislation,
> >> President Barack Obama put a plug in for administration efforts to
> >> make lamps and lighting equipment use less energy.
> >>
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >But the article doesn't say what the new standards ARE.
> >
> >Perhaps the president is merely going to say "Let there be light..."
> >
> 
> They are going to make CFLs look more attractive, probably by
> outlawing or taxing the hell out of incandescents

I've been using pretty much all CFLs for several years, and they are
fine. The only time you will notice a difference is if you have more
than one type of light source in a single room, so just make sure that
in any given room it's all or nothing. Any yes, they do save a
noticeable amount of power, as well as having a much longer life span
than incandescents.

Bob-tx wrote:

> It looks like this guy, obama, is a dictator, not a president.

Don't forget to hang up that soaked crying towel or it will get mildew. 

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Just wait till they try to regulate how many galons of water 
> a toilet flush can be.... oh, nevermind. That's already 
> happened.
> 
> I can see an instance or two where BHO may have stepped 
> outside the constitutionally assigned powers.
> 
Outhouses are more "green".

On Jun 30, 11:16=A0am, "Bill"  wrote:
> > Is anyone else fed up with the government trying to take care of us and
> > protect us by not letting us make any of our own decisions?
>
> Actually my summer electric bill is HALF of what it was years ago because=
 of
> things like this. Basically because of "Energy Star".
>
> I don't know if Energy Star *required* A/C, refrigerator, and freezer
> manufacturers to make their units more energy efficient or if it just
> required labeling? (Then consumers could pick the best models?)
>
> But I got a new A/C unit, new refrigerator, and new freezer and this cut =
my
> summer time use of electricity in half because these use less electricity=
 to
> operate. PLUS the A/C has a bit more BTU's than the old! And it was less
> expensive ta boot!
>
> So I LIKE this type of stuff myself.

I like it too.  I just don't want to be dictated to.  The new cap and
trade bill is a killer.