My newish-to-me house has a Florida room with a cement floor. It's 
painted and can be a bit slick, especially for my dogs with fuzzy feet. 
The patio is the same level with the cement outside of the expanse of 
sliding patio doors (maybe even the same, just with the track across 
it). During hard rains, I get small puddles just inside of the tracks, 
which is the subject of another question sometime. The problem, though, 
is that I really don't want to put down decent carpeting for traction 
until that's resolved. I haven't slipped, but I am a bit concerned that 
it could be slick if wet and I have guests.

Any suggestions on how to treat the floor? Deck paint? That speckled 
stuff I've seen for garages?

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"Lee B" <n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>
> My newish-to-me house has a Florida room with a cement floor. It's painted 
> and can be a bit slick, especially for my dogs with fuzzy feet. The patio 
> is the same level with the cement outside of the expanse of sliding patio 
> doors (maybe even the same, just with the track across it). During hard 
> rains, I get small puddles just inside of the tracks, which is the subject 
> of another question sometime. The problem, though, is that I really don't 
> want to put down decent carpeting for traction until that's resolved. I 
> haven't slipped, but I am a bit concerned that it could be slick if wet 
> and I have guests.
>
> Any suggestions on how to treat the floor? Deck paint? That speckled stuff 
> I've seen for garages? 

Roemax wrote:
> concrete stain
> h&c comes to mind
> "Lee B" <n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:gsdqq6$upc$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>> My newish-to-me house has a Florida room with a cement floor. It's painted 
>> and can be a bit slick, especially for my dogs with fuzzy feet. The patio 
>> is the same level with the cement outside of the expanse of sliding patio 
>> doors (maybe even the same, just with the track across it). During hard 
>> rains, I get small puddles just inside of the tracks, which is the subject 
>> of another question sometime. The problem, though, is that I really don't 
>> want to put down decent carpeting for traction until that's resolved. I 
>> haven't slipped, but I am a bit concerned that it could be slick if wet 
>> and I have guests.
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to treat the floor? Deck paint? That speckled stuff 
>> I've seen for garages? 
> 
> 
For the short term, I'd get one of those mats like they use in lobbies 
with terrazzo floors during crappy weather, and lay it right inside the 
the sliding door. If it gets to smelling funny, you can just 
pressure-wash it at the coin-op car wash. If the concrete is the same 
level on both sides of door, they screwed up- probably dropped the 
sunroom on an existing patio. A bead of caulk on the outside of the 
track will help, but make sure not to block the weep holes on the 
outside of the track. Is water coming under the track, or is the track 
overflowing and spilling into the room? If the latter, the weep holes 
may be blocked. Have you checked the patio for level? If it slopes 
toward the slider, there is no painless cure. An overhang or awning helps.

When you decide to repaint, epoxy like for a garage is best, but the 
prep work on old concrete, especially painted concrete, is a bitch. I'd 
go with non-glued indoor-outdoor carpet, or porch paint with the nonskid 
granules mixed into it.

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Lee B wrote:
> My newish-to-me house has a Florida room with a cement floor. It's
> painted and can be a bit slick, especially for my dogs with fuzzy
> feet. The patio is the same level with the cement outside of the
> expanse of sliding patio doors (maybe even the same, just with the
> track across it). During hard rains, I get small puddles just inside
> of the tracks, which is the subject of another question sometime. The
> problem, though, is that I really don't want to put down decent
> carpeting for traction until that's resolved. I haven't slipped, but
> I am a bit concerned that it could be slick if wet and I have guests.
>
> Any suggestions on how to treat the floor? Deck paint? That speckled
> stuff I've seen for garages?

I'd repaint with non-skid paint.  They have smallish but uniformly sized 
particles in the paint so that you get miniscule bumps when the paint dries. 
The particles can be any of many different things...sand, ground rubber, 
ground walnut shells, etc.  It can sometimes be hard to keep the paint 
stirred well so that particle suspension is uniform.

The few times I've wanted a non-skid surface I rolled on a coat of paint 
(usually polyurethane) and while still tacky broadcast fine sand over it. 
When dry, I swept up all the sand that was loose and rolled on another coat 
of paint.

Info on non-skid paint
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=non-skid+paint&aq=1&oq=non-sk

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dadiOH wrote:
> Lee B wrote:
>> My newish-to-me house has a Florida room with a cement floor. It's
>> painted and can be a bit slick, especially for my dogs with fuzzy
>> feet. The patio is the same level with the cement outside of the
>> expanse of sliding patio doors (maybe even the same, just with the
>> track across it). During hard rains, I get small puddles just inside
>> of the tracks, which is the subject of another question sometime. The
>> problem, though, is that I really don't want to put down decent
>> carpeting for traction until that's resolved. I haven't slipped, but
>> I am a bit concerned that it could be slick if wet and I have guests.
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to treat the floor? Deck paint? That speckled
>> stuff I've seen for garages?
> 
> I'd repaint with non-skid paint.  They have smallish but uniformly sized 
> particles in the paint so that you get miniscule bumps when the paint dries. 
> The particles can be any of many different things...sand, ground rubber, 
> ground walnut shells, etc.  It can sometimes be hard to keep the paint 
> stirred well so that particle suspension is uniform.
> 
> The few times I've wanted a non-skid surface I rolled on a coat of paint 
> (usually polyurethane) and while still tacky broadcast fine sand over it. 
> When dry, I swept up all the sand that was loose and rolled on another coat 
> of paint.
> 
> Info on non-skid paint
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=non-skid+paint&aq=1&oq=non-sk
> 
Following up. Yes, I think they did take an existing cement patio and 
build the florida room on top of it. The patio in turn abuts a paved 
area at the same height. There used to be a pool in the yard, and 
apparently the original owner was quite the party person (there is a 
"Tiki" bar with fake bamboo at one end of the room!), so I suspect he 
really didn't care about water coming in because with the pool it 
probably got got wet a lot anyhow. I can't tell how the water gets in; I 
never see it as it happens - just come home to find small puddles. And 
it doesn't happen all the time. I do get some puddling on the outside 
cement so I wonder it there is occasionally a "high tide" the comes over 
the tracks. It's gotten better since I attached some of those extension 
tubes to the downspout that was also draining onto the cement.

I think the next step will be unglued indoor/outdoor carpet, which will 
have to suffice for a while.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Lee B wrote:
> 
> dadiOH wrote:
>> Lee B wrote:
>>> My newish-to-me house has a Florida room with a cement floor. It's
>>> painted and can be a bit slick, especially for my dogs with fuzzy
>>> feet. The patio is the same level with the cement outside of the
>>> expanse of sliding patio doors (maybe even the same, just with the
>>> track across it). During hard rains, I get small puddles just inside
>>> of the tracks, which is the subject of another question sometime. The
>>> problem, though, is that I really don't want to put down decent
>>> carpeting for traction until that's resolved. I haven't slipped, but
>>> I am a bit concerned that it could be slick if wet and I have guests.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on how to treat the floor? Deck paint? That speckled
>>> stuff I've seen for garages?
>>
>> I'd repaint with non-skid paint.  They have smallish but uniformly 
>> sized particles in the paint so that you get miniscule bumps when the 
>> paint dries. The particles can be any of many different things...sand, 
>> ground rubber, ground walnut shells, etc.  It can sometimes be hard to 
>> keep the paint stirred well so that particle suspension is uniform.
>>
>> The few times I've wanted a non-skid surface I rolled on a coat of 
>> paint (usually polyurethane) and while still tacky broadcast fine sand 
>> over it. When dry, I swept up all the sand that was loose and rolled 
>> on another coat of paint.
>>
>> Info on non-skid paint
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=non-skid+paint&aq=1&oq=non-sk
>>
> Following up. Yes, I think they did take an existing cement patio and 
> build the florida room on top of it. The patio in turn abuts a paved 
> area at the same height. There used to be a pool in the yard, and 
> apparently the original owner was quite the party person (there is a 
> "Tiki" bar with fake bamboo at one end of the room!), so I suspect he 
> really didn't care about water coming in because with the pool it 
> probably got got wet a lot anyhow. I can't tell how the water gets in; I 
> never see it as it happens - just come home to find small puddles. And 
> it doesn't happen all the time. I do get some puddling on the outside 
> cement so I wonder it there is occasionally a "high tide" the comes over 
> the tracks. It's gotten better since I attached some of those extension 
> tubes to the downspout that was also draining onto the cement.
> 
> I think the next step will be unglued indoor/outdoor carpet, which will 
> have to suffice for a while.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions.

So how do you tell where the patio stops and the paved area starts?  :^)

If this proves to be an ongoing problem, I'd look seriously at removing 
some of the paved area, or at least cutting a slot and adding a 
sloped-bottom slit drain leading to a drywell, parallel to the wall with 
the slider in it. If the concrete was not in the way, how would the 
drainage be in your yard? Clay and mud, or sand as deep as anyone has 
ever dug?

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Lee B wrote:
> 
> dadiOH wrote:
>> Lee B wrote:
>>> My newish-to-me house has a Florida room with a cement floor. It's
>>> painted and can be a bit slick, especially for my dogs with fuzzy
>>> feet. The patio is the same level with the cement outside of the
>>> expanse of sliding patio doors (maybe even the same, just with the
>>> track across it). During hard rains, I get small puddles just inside
>>> of the tracks, which is the subject of another question sometime. The
>>> problem, though, is that I really don't want to put down decent
>>> carpeting for traction until that's resolved. I haven't slipped, but
>>> I am a bit concerned that it could be slick if wet and I have guests.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on how to treat the floor? Deck paint? That speckled
>>> stuff I've seen for garages?
>>
>> I'd repaint with non-skid paint.  They have smallish but uniformly 
>> sized particles in the paint so that you get miniscule bumps when the 
>> paint dries. The particles can be any of many different things...sand, 
>> ground rubber, ground walnut shells, etc.  It can sometimes be hard to 
>> keep the paint stirred well so that particle suspension is uniform.
>>
>> The few times I've wanted a non-skid surface I rolled on a coat of 
>> paint (usually polyurethane) and while still tacky broadcast fine sand 
>> over it. When dry, I swept up all the sand that was loose and rolled 
>> on another coat of paint.
>>
>> Info on non-skid paint
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=non-skid+paint&aq=1&oq=non-sk
>>
> Following up. Yes, I think they did take an existing cement patio and 
> build the florida room on top of it. The patio in turn abuts a paved 
> area at the same height. There used to be a pool in the yard, and 
> apparently the original owner was quite the party person (there is a 
> "Tiki" bar with fake bamboo at one end of the room!), so I suspect he 
> really didn't care about water coming in because with the pool it 
> probably got got wet a lot anyhow. I can't tell how the water gets in; I 
> never see it as it happens - just come home to find small puddles. And 
> it doesn't happen all the time. I do get some puddling on the outside 
> cement so I wonder it there is occasionally a "high tide" the comes over 
> the tracks. It's gotten better since I attached some of those extension 
> tubes to the downspout that was also draining onto the cement.
> 
> I think the next step will be unglued indoor/outdoor carpet, which will 
> have to suffice for a while.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions.

Indoor/outdoor carpet would be my only choice...it is available in 
decent colors, easy to maintain and not expensive.  I'd be sure to caulk 
wall all around the exterior of the room.

I/o carpet can get real mildewy if it gets wet and stays wet ... also 
easy to haul outside, hose off and leave in the sun to dry.  I would 
tack it down just a little at doorways so it can't curl and cause 
someone to trip.

On Apr 18, 10:45=A0pm, "Roemax"  wrote:
> concrete stain


You can't put concrete stain on a concrete floor that already has
paint on it, unless you want to remove the paint first.

Why not address the leak issue first, then put down carpeting or other
flooring of your choice?   If you figure out why water is getting in,
the fix could be as simple as a tube of caulk.





> h&c comes to mind"Lee B"  wrote in message
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> > My newish-to-me house has a Florida room with a cement floor. It's pain=
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> > and can be a bit slick, especially for my dogs with fuzzy feet. The pat=
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> > is the same level with the cement outside of the expanse of sliding pat=
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> > doors (maybe even the same, just with the track across it). During hard
> > rains, I get small puddles just inside of the tracks, which is the subj=
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> > of another question sometime. The problem, though, is that I really don=
't
> > want to put down decent carpeting for traction until that's resolved. I
> > haven't slipped, but I am a bit concerned that it could be slick if wet
> > and I have guests.
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<n...@earthlink.net> wrote
> Lee B wrote:

>> I think the next step will be unglued indoor/outdoor carpet, which will 
>> have to suffice for a while.

> Indoor/outdoor carpet would be my only choice...it is available in decent 
> colors, easy to maintain and not expensive.  I'd be sure to caulk wall all 
> around the exterior of the room.

Same here.  My sunroom needed something on the cement slab.  It had minor 
cracks and some minor seepage (darkened stains in spots in heavy rain, no 
actual puddles) so we used a bit of acrylic goop on the cracks then a water 
sealant 'paint' and put 'outdoor' carpet down.  It looks like a very nice 
berber carpet but is designed to tolerate a bit of damp or even a full 
wetting down (provided it can dry out later).  Oddly, it was cheaper than 
'indoor carpet' of the same look.

The only downfall is it's a bit scratchy if you sit on the floor (which we 
do there all the time).  Since the water has not seeped up at all after 
treating the slab (could have done internal carpet it turns out), we 
overlayed a cheapish but nice looking oriental rug piece that is soft to sit 
on.

> I/o carpet can get real mildewy if it gets wet and stays wet ... also easy 
> to haul outside, hose off and leave in the sun to dry.  I would tack it 
> down just a little at doorways so it can't curl and cause someone to trip.

Curling depends on type.  The sunroom is a portion of a large extended 
'enclosed porch'.  All same slab.  11x13ft is the sunroom.  The rest is 
still a fully screened porch of 36x13ft with a small extra section that 
makes it 44ft (laundry room is an 8x5ft cutout of the porch).  In the 
screened section, the rain blows in naturally and the landscaping also 
causes water flow to the center of the slab up to 1/4 inch.  The outdoor 
carpet type there is the 'fake grass' sort which can tolerate that 
condition.  No need to pull it up and stick it in the sun.  That type wont 
curl either while the 'berber-look' one on the sunroom floor, would in those 
conditions.

BTW, to avoid any accidental confusion, the original 'enclosed porch' was 
55.5ft  The missing 6 inches are the ones for the non-structural separator 
wall between the enclosed and screened area.  An interesting tidbit is the 
code and zoning of my area made your taxes go up if your porch was 60ft or 
more 'long' or more than 13ft 'deep'.  Hence, 55.5x13 is not uncommon here. 

cshenk wrote:
> <n...@earthlink.net> wrote
>> Lee B wrote:
> 
>>> I think the next step will be unglued indoor/outdoor carpet, which will 
>>> have to suffice for a while.
> 
>> Indoor/outdoor carpet would be my only choice...it is available in decent 
>> colors, easy to maintain and not expensive.  I'd be sure to caulk wall all 
>> around the exterior of the room.
> 
> Same here.  My sunroom needed something on the cement slab.  It had minor 
> cracks and some minor seepage (darkened stains in spots in heavy rain, no 
> actual puddles) so we used a bit of acrylic goop on the cracks then a water 
> sealant 'paint' and put 'outdoor' carpet down.  It looks like a very nice 
> berber carpet but is designed to tolerate a bit of damp or even a full 
> wetting down (provided it can dry out later).  Oddly, it was cheaper than 
> 'indoor carpet' of the same look.
> 
> The only downfall is it's a bit scratchy if you sit on the floor (which we 
> do there all the time).  Since the water has not seeped up at all after 
> treating the slab (could have done internal carpet it turns out), we 
> overlayed a cheapish but nice looking oriental rug piece that is soft to sit 
> on.
> 
>> I/o carpet can get real mildewy if it gets wet and stays wet ... also easy 
>> to haul outside, hose off and leave in the sun to dry.  I would tack it 
>> down just a little at doorways so it can't curl and cause someone to trip.
> 
> Curling depends on type.  The sunroom is a portion of a large extended 
> 'enclosed porch'.  All same slab.  11x13ft is the sunroom.  The rest is 
> still a fully screened porch of 36x13ft with a small extra section that 
> makes it 44ft (laundry room is an 8x5ft cutout of the porch).  In the 
> screened section, the rain blows in naturally and the landscaping also 
> causes water flow to the center of the slab up to 1/4 inch.  The outdoor 
> carpet type there is the 'fake grass' sort which can tolerate that 
> condition.  No need to pull it up and stick it in the sun.  That type wont 
> curl either while the 'berber-look' one on the sunroom floor, would in those 
> conditions.

If the Florida room is in Florida, and the carpet is damp for a while, 
it can grow thick coats of mildew.  Our neighbors' patios have that 
problem.  As for curling, I've had plastic grass and low-loop pile and 
both did not remain totally flat.  Carpet at doorways can get a lot of 
traffic and might tend to curl more - better to stick it down before 
someone trips.
> 
> BTW, to avoid any accidental confusion, the original 'enclosed porch' was 
> 55.5ft  The missing 6 inches are the ones for the non-structural separator 
> wall between the enclosed and screened area.  An interesting tidbit is the 
> code and zoning of my area made your taxes go up if your porch was 60ft or 
> more 'long' or more than 13ft 'deep'.  Hence, 55.5x13 is not uncommon here. 
> 
>