I was reading a newspaper article comparing
prices at TARGET and WalMart stores.

They cited GE brand CFL's.
Though packaged identically,
the TARGET bulbs are waranteed for 10,000 hours,
while the WalMart units are waranteed for 6,000 hours.

I haven't gone to my TARGET to check it out,
but it would be interesting.

Do the ones at Wally World cost less?

Maybe the manufacturer packages the exact same bulbs with a shorter
warranty to save on overall cost (cost of replacing failed bulbs) and
sells them to WMart at a lower price?

On May 7, 1:39=A0pm, ""  wrote:
> I was reading a newspaper article comparing
> prices at TARGET and WalMart stores.
>
> They cited GE brand CFL's.
> Though packaged identically,
> the TARGET bulbs are waranteed for 10,000 hours,
> while the WalMart units are waranteed for 6,000 hours.
>
> I haven't gone to my TARGET to check it out,
> but it would be interesting.


Strange, I usually find the wal Mart merchandise to have a higher
quality to value ratio and better selection than Target, especially in
clothes and food.  I've never had a CFL last as long as they say they
do anyway, and returning them is more hassle than its worth.  I bought
9 expensive dimmable large PAR floods and all died within 8 mos, while
the old halogens next to them are going on 8 years, go figure.  Those
I did return and felt like I was being waterboarded for doing so.  The
new dimmable CFL's dont last very long at all from my experience, not
good if most of your wall switches are dimmers.

 wrote:
> I was reading a newspaper article comparing
> prices at TARGET and WalMart stores.
> 
> They cited GE brand CFL's.
> Though packaged identically,
> the TARGET bulbs are waranteed for 10,000 hours,
> while the WalMart units are waranteed for 6,000 hours.
> 
> I haven't gone to my TARGET to check it out,
> but it would be interesting.
> 

I bet they have different item numbers so they cab claim they are not 
"identical".
BTW WalMart has a house brand that is a lot cheaper than GE.

Lou

On 5/7/2009 12:48 PM RickH spake thus:

> On May 7, 1:39 pm, ""  wrote:
 >
>> I was reading a newspaper article comparing
>> prices at TARGET and WalMart stores.
>>
>> They cited GE brand CFL's.
>> Though packaged identically,
>> the TARGET bulbs are waranteed for 10,000 hours,
>> while the WalMart units are waranteed for 6,000 hours.
>>
>> I haven't gone to my TARGET to check it out,
>> but it would be interesting.
> 
> I've never had a CFL last as long as they say they do anyway, and
> returning them is more hassle than its worth. I bought 9 expensive
> dimmable large PAR floods and all died within 8 mos, while the old
> halogens next to them are going on 8 years, go figure.

I don't know why, but for some reason CFL floodlamps always seem to die 
young. Anyone know why this might be? Heat?


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on 5/7/09 6:23 PM David Nebenzahl said the following:
> On 5/7/2009 12:48 PM RickH spake thus:
> 
>> On May 7, 1:39 pm, ""  wrote:
>  >
>>> I was reading a newspaper article comparing
>>> prices at TARGET and WalMart stores.
>>>
>>> They cited GE brand CFL's.
>>> Though packaged identically,
>>> the TARGET bulbs are waranteed for 10,000 hours,
>>> while the WalMart units are waranteed for 6,000 hours.
>>>
>>> I haven't gone to my TARGET to check it out,
>>> but it would be interesting.
>>
>> I've never had a CFL last as long as they say they do anyway, and
>> returning them is more hassle than its worth. I bought 9 expensive
>> dimmable large PAR floods and all died within 8 mos, while the old
>> halogens next to them are going on 8 years, go figure.
> 
> I don't know why, but for some reason CFL floodlamps always seem to die 
> young. Anyone know why this might be? Heat?
> 
> 

My Vision CFLs crapped out way too soon.  Now trying
GE.

In <f...@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, 
RickH wrote in part:

>I've never had a CFL last as long as they say they
>do anyway, and returning them is more hassle than its worth.  I bought
>9 expensive dimmable large PAR floods and all died within 8 mos, while
>the old halogens next to them are going on 8 years, go figure.  Those
>I did return and felt like I was being waterboarded for doing so.  The
>new dimmable CFL's dont last very long at all from my experience, not
>good if most of your wall switches are dimmers.

  Are you using the CFLs in small enclosed fixtures or recessed ceiling 
fixtures?  Such fixtures build up heat, which CFLs do not like.

  Meanwhile, CFLs tend to last longer if:

*  They are of "Big 3" brand (GE, Philips or Sylvania) or they have the 
   Energy Star logo

*  Only ones 23 watts or less are used base-up or in moderately small 
   enclosed fixtures, and only ones 14 watts or less are used in small
   enclosed fixtures.

*  Reflector flood types used in recessed ceiling fixtures are rated 
   specifically for use in recessed ceiling fixtures.

===============================================================

  If you are having recessed ceiling fixtures installed and they will be 
using CFLs, things work better if the fixtures are ones with ballasts and
take ballastless CFLs that have pins rather than screw bases.

 - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

"Don Klipstein" <d...@manx.misty.com> wrote in message 
news:slrnh0egh1.ldr.d...@manx.misty.com...
> In <f...@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> RickH wrote in part:
>
>>I've never had a CFL last as long as they say they
>>do anyway, and returning them is more hassle than its worth.  I bought
>>9 expensive dimmable large PAR floods and all died within 8 mos, while
>>the old halogens next to them are going on 8 years, go figure.  Those
>>I did return and felt like I was being waterboarded for doing so.  The
>>new dimmable CFL's dont last very long at all from my experience, not
>>good if most of your wall switches are dimmers.
>
>  Are you using the CFLs in small enclosed fixtures or recessed ceiling
> fixtures?  Such fixtures build up heat, which CFLs do not like.
>
>  Meanwhile, CFLs tend to last longer if:
>
> *  They are of "Big 3" brand (GE, Philips or Sylvania) or they have the
>   Energy Star logo
>
> *  Only ones 23 watts or less are used base-up or in moderately small
>   enclosed fixtures, and only ones 14 watts or less are used in small
>   enclosed fixtures.
>
> *  Reflector flood types used in recessed ceiling fixtures are rated
>   specifically for use in recessed ceiling fixtures.
>
> ===============================================================
>
>  If you are having recessed ceiling fixtures installed and they will be
> using CFLs, things work better if the fixtures are ones with ballasts and
> take ballastless CFLs that have pins rather than screw bases.
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

I have over 70 CFL's installed and have just lost the second one in 7 years. 
It was in a water closet area and was cycled on/of about 10 times per day. 
The first one , in the basement and continous on, failed after about 5 
years. I also have 4 of the pin type in recessecd cans and have had one 
failure in about 3 years. Just too many variables to accurately predict 
life. I have an incandescent in the pantry that is 15 years old and is 
cycled about 3 times per day. 

"Tom Oska" <f...@asu.edu> wrote in message 
news:B7TNl.30794$i...@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
>
> "Don Klipstein" <d...@manx.misty.com> wrote in message 
> news:slrnh0egh1.ldr.d...@manx.misty.com...
>> In <f...@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
>> RickH wrote in part:
>>
>>>I've never had a CFL last as long as they say they
>>>do anyway, and returning them is more hassle than its worth.  I bought
>>>9 expensive dimmable large PAR floods and all died within 8 mos, while
>>>the old halogens next to them are going on 8 years, go figure.  Those
>>>I did return and felt like I was being waterboarded for doing so.  The
>>>new dimmable CFL's dont last very long at all from my experience, not
>>>good if most of your wall switches are dimmers.
>>
>>  Are you using the CFLs in small enclosed fixtures or recessed ceiling
>> fixtures?  Such fixtures build up heat, which CFLs do not like.
>>
>>  Meanwhile, CFLs tend to last longer if:
>>
>> *  They are of "Big 3" brand (GE, Philips or Sylvania) or they have the
>>   Energy Star logo
>>
>> *  Only ones 23 watts or less are used base-up or in moderately small
>>   enclosed fixtures, and only ones 14 watts or less are used in small
>>   enclosed fixtures.
>>
>> *  Reflector flood types used in recessed ceiling fixtures are rated
>>   specifically for use in recessed ceiling fixtures.
>>
>> ===============================================================
>>
>>  If you are having recessed ceiling fixtures installed and they will be
>> using CFLs, things work better if the fixtures are ones with ballasts and
>> take ballastless CFLs that have pins rather than screw bases.
>>
>> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>
> I have over 70 CFL's installed and have just lost the second one in 7 
> years. It was in a water closet area and was cycled on/of about 10 times 
> per day. The first one , in the basement and continous on, failed after 
> about 5 years. I also have 4 of the pin type in recessecd cans and have 
> had one failure in about 3 years. Just too many variables to accurately 
> predict life. I have an incandescent in the pantry that is 15 years old 
> and is cycled about 3 times per day.

What brand of CFLs do you use? I have a few that have lasted for several 
years, but at this point I would guess that I'm experiencing ~50% failure 
within one year. It seems that those that survive the first year last for 
several years after that. High infant mortality, and the rest live into old 
age. 

"Zootal" <u...@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message 
news:F...@giganews.com...
>
> "Tom Oska" <f...@asu.edu> wrote in message 
> news:B7TNl.30794$i...@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
>>
>> "Don Klipstein" <d...@manx.misty.com> wrote in message 
>> news:slrnh0egh1.ldr.d...@manx.misty.com...
>>> In <f...@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
>>> RickH wrote in part:
>>>
>>>>I've never had a CFL last as long as they say they
>>>>do anyway, and returning them is more hassle than its worth.  I bought
>>>>9 expensive dimmable large PAR floods and all died within 8 mos, while
>>>>the old halogens next to them are going on 8 years, go figure.  Those
>>>>I did return and felt like I was being waterboarded for doing so.  The
>>>>new dimmable CFL's dont last very long at all from my experience, not
>>>>good if most of your wall switches are dimmers.
>>>
>>>  Are you using the CFLs in small enclosed fixtures or recessed ceiling
>>> fixtures?  Such fixtures build up heat, which CFLs do not like.
>>>
>>>  Meanwhile, CFLs tend to last longer if:
>>>
>>> *  They are of "Big 3" brand (GE, Philips or Sylvania) or they have the
>>>   Energy Star logo
>>>
>>> *  Only ones 23 watts or less are used base-up or in moderately small
>>>   enclosed fixtures, and only ones 14 watts or less are used in small
>>>   enclosed fixtures.
>>>
>>> *  Reflector flood types used in recessed ceiling fixtures are rated
>>>   specifically for use in recessed ceiling fixtures.
>>>
>>> ===============================================================
>>>
>>>  If you are having recessed ceiling fixtures installed and they will be
>>> using CFLs, things work better if the fixtures are ones with ballasts 
>>> and
>>> take ballastless CFLs that have pins rather than screw bases.
>>>
>>> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>>
>> I have over 70 CFL's installed and have just lost the second one in 7 
>> years. It was in a water closet area and was cycled on/of about 10 times 
>> per day. The first one , in the basement and continous on, failed after 
>> about 5 years. I also have 4 of the pin type in recessecd cans and have 
>> had one failure in about 3 years. Just too many variables to accurately 
>> predict life. I have an incandescent in the pantry that is 15 years old 
>> and is cycled about 3 times per day.
>
> What brand of CFLs do you use? I have a few that have lasted for several 
> years, but at this point I would guess that I'm experiencing ~50% failure 
> within one year. It seems that those that survive the first year last for 
> several years after that. High infant mortality, and the rest live into 
> old age.
G.E., Sylvania, TD, and n:vision. Most are the n:vision brand that I 
purchased @ the Big Orange Box. They had a sale years ago and 60W= were 
n:vision at 4 for $1.85 and the 100W= were G.E. at 2 for $2.79 so I stocked 
up. Still have about 20 unused. The Sylvania are bug lights used in the post 
lights and outdoor brackets. I think where I got the 2-13W= TD brands was a 
promotion by the co-op.